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Post by yceng3inefd on Aug 8, 2006 19:46:10 GMT -5
Today more than ever it seems that more and more engine companies are utilizing cross-lays and pre-connects to attack fires. Has your department gone primarily to cross-lays (tanklines) or do you still advocate stretching dead-lays with the proper amount of hose? Also with the flows of 1 3/4" when do you switch to 2 1/2" and how many people must you put on the line when you do? Talk it up! Lets hear it!  |
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Post by barker on Aug 15, 2006 20:34:00 GMT -5
What does a hose line have to do with a saw and a hook?
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Post by yceng3inefd on Aug 19, 2006 15:22:47 GMT -5
I was trying to come up with something for those of you that are too short to be on a truck (barker)
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Post by barker on Aug 20, 2006 18:27:39 GMT -5
Just need a longer "Tool", but you know all about that.... Now RE: Hose Line Selection... The use of the pre-connect for all fires reflects a our "fast food one size all fits all" society. We have become dependent on the easy, no thinking required, method to attack fires. Mind you we have less fires, thus less opportunities to hone our firemanship skills, and "think". Let us not forget the lessons from our past and keep our less used skills up to date....
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Post by smoothbore6 on Aug 22, 2006 0:32:35 GMT -5
Quick water is always best water. As we all know everything gets better when the fire goes out. We do not have the abundance of multiple story walk-ups like they do on the east coast so pre-connects seem to work for us. Being completely dependent on pre-connects is where we get into trouble. We have to be able to recognize when the pre-connect in not the correct choice (i.e. the stretch is too long or we need big water) If you choose to go with big water (2 1/2) then you should commit two engine companies to each line, to ensure that they move effectively. My choice would be 1 3/4 with 15/16 tip and 2 1/2 with 1 1/8 tip.
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Post by yceng3inefd on Sept 8, 2006 12:08:17 GMT -5
You will NEVER need to convince me of the advantages of a smooth-bore nozzle. I have tried for close to 15 years to educate non-believers on the benefits of a solid stream fire attack. As for the hose line selection, I think apparatus manufacturers are part of the problem today. They hang all of these neat "New" options in our face that the Spec committee starts drooling over. I admit, I am on a spec committee and have fallen victim to this. We need to make sure that we are spec'ing apparatus that are FUNCTIONAL. Not new and neat. If the rig is going downtown, spec it for downtown. How many 150' pre-connects could you possibly need in a predominantly high-rise district. Likewise if you are a straight up residential district, put on a few more pre-connects and lose some of the 2 1/2". The bottom line is that we need to get back to making sure that the right line gets pulled every time. This is not only the Officers problem, it is everyone on the company. Don't argue with the Boss, but have discussions during training. Talk about the pro's and con's of pulling each line. Talk about the risk of coming up short. Make sure everyone is on the same page when it comes to pulling the deuce-and-a-half vs. the 1 3/4". All these things need to be discussed and practiced BEFORE THE FIRE. Remember, just because you've been on the job for 15 years doesn't mean you shouldn't still pull line for training. You aren't THAT good. If you or someone in your company doesn't understand this then come on out to a FOOLS day. Let them experience it for themselves. Train on Brothers
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